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		<title>By: gilbertabrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilbertabrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking about &quot;end time&quot; events, I am not sure what is going to happen OR when it will, but I know just as sure as a boil on your skin comes to a head, SOMETHING is going on in our world that is culminating in an event that many are unaware of and unprepared for. I appreciate your final thought in your one comment Dawg em: &quot;Fight as though your posterity depends upon you; and pray as though your soul depends upon the mercy of Almighty God.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I commented, because we have a pitiful excuse for &quot;news&quot; in this country, I have to read elsewhere. There are MANY things happening across our world that are prophetic signs being fulfilled. Whatever happens, it is ALWAYS best to be prepared. I learned that as a young lad in the Boy Scouts AND Royal Rangers. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was well known for my quick retorts concerning political &amp; religious topics at my previous two jobs. I was termed as acerbic at times, even by my &quot;Christian&quot; co-workers. I found that most of them were ignorant concerning history and therefore thoroughly unprepared to carry on a meaningful conversation without getting their feelings hurt. Even with someone like myself: two years of college and curious enough to read from many sources to have some facts to present in a debate. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If our forefathers had applied the &quot;principles&quot; some of today&#039;s &quot;Christians&quot; use in their voting, we would HAVE no America. And yet so many purport to understand what these men were thinking in that time. And how they would have made such a difference if they had lived then. We would have been chewed up and spit out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking about &quot;end time&quot; events, I am not sure what is going to happen OR when it will, but I know just as sure as a boil on your skin comes to a head, SOMETHING is going on in our world that is culminating in an event that many are unaware of and unprepared for. I appreciate your final thought in your one comment Dawg em: &quot;Fight as though your posterity depends upon you; and pray as though your soul depends upon the mercy of Almighty God.&quot;</p>
<p>As I commented, because we have a pitiful excuse for &quot;news&quot; in this country, I have to read elsewhere. There are MANY things happening across our world that are prophetic signs being fulfilled. Whatever happens, it is ALWAYS best to be prepared. I learned that as a young lad in the Boy Scouts AND Royal Rangers. </p>
<p>I was well known for my quick retorts concerning political &amp; religious topics at my previous two jobs. I was termed as acerbic at times, even by my &quot;Christian&quot; co-workers. I found that most of them were ignorant concerning history and therefore thoroughly unprepared to carry on a meaningful conversation without getting their feelings hurt. Even with someone like myself: two years of college and curious enough to read from many sources to have some facts to present in a debate. </p>
<p>If our forefathers had applied the &quot;principles&quot; some of today&#39;s &quot;Christians&quot; use in their voting, we would HAVE no America. And yet so many purport to understand what these men were thinking in that time. And how they would have made such a difference if they had lived then. We would have been chewed up and spit out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chiu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already got through the hedge, though.</description>
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		<title>By: Dawg_em</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawg_em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Tim. I don&#039;t believe our God wants us to suffer. But because He respects the free-will He has given us, when we turn our backs on Him we leave Him no choice but to leave us to our own devices. He won&#039;t force us to love Him. When we obey him His graces are bestowed upon us and we are blessed. When He withdraws those gifts what he is saying is, &quot;Fine. If you think you can do better, have at it.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The result is predictable to those who know how He works in our lives. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Tim. I don&#39;t believe our God wants us to suffer. But because He respects the free-will He has given us, when we turn our backs on Him we leave Him no choice but to leave us to our own devices. He won&#39;t force us to love Him. When we obey him His graces are bestowed upon us and we are blessed. When He withdraws those gifts what he is saying is, &quot;Fine. If you think you can do better, have at it.&quot;</p>
<p>The result is predictable to those who know how He works in our lives. </p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawg_em</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawg_em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it sad, gilbertabrett, how so many can be deluded into believing &quot;God has everything under control&quot;? That&#039;s not to say He can&#039;t. But you have pointed to the essence of the issue; we can either choose life or choose death. God doesn&#039;t want us under His thumb. He gave us free-will and there are consequences for our choices. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I heard a phrase that went something like &quot;work as if everything depended upon you and pray as if everything depended upon God&quot;. (I also heard it inverted but I have yet to make sense of it.) In any event it is a copout to say, in essence, we don&#039;t determine our destiny. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As to the &#039;end times&#039;, I once was intrigued by the prognosticators who were predicting the &quot;Great Event&quot;. I don&#039;t wish to disparage anyone who believes they have the &quot;word&quot; but Jesus Himself said only the Father knows the time, not even the Son. Many people throughout the ages have made their predictions. No, my take is this; when you or I die, that&#039;s our end time. We must all prepare for that eventuality, and voting for a baby-killing sodomite will not endear us to the Lord.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I could paraphrase the previous sentiment it would go something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;Fight as though your posterity depends upon you; and pray as though your soul depends upon the mercy of Almighty God.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#39;t it sad, gilbertabrett, how so many can be deluded into believing &quot;God has everything under control&quot;? That&#39;s not to say He can&#39;t. But you have pointed to the essence of the issue; we can either choose life or choose death. God doesn&#39;t want us under His thumb. He gave us free-will and there are consequences for our choices. </p>
<p>I heard a phrase that went something like &quot;work as if everything depended upon you and pray as if everything depended upon God&quot;. (I also heard it inverted but I have yet to make sense of it.) In any event it is a copout to say, in essence, we don&#39;t determine our destiny. </p>
<p>As to the &#39;end times&#39;, I once was intrigued by the prognosticators who were predicting the &quot;Great Event&quot;. I don&#39;t wish to disparage anyone who believes they have the &quot;word&quot; but Jesus Himself said only the Father knows the time, not even the Son. Many people throughout the ages have made their predictions. No, my take is this; when you or I die, that&#39;s our end time. We must all prepare for that eventuality, and voting for a baby-killing sodomite will not endear us to the Lord.</p>
<p>If I could paraphrase the previous sentiment it would go something like:</p>
<p>&quot;Fight as though your posterity depends upon you; and pray as though your soul depends upon the mercy of Almighty God.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Ilíon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilíon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Reestablish the Constitutional provision for enforcement of the 10th amendment by repealing the 17th Amendment, and thus returning the election of U.S. Senators to the control of the people as constituents of their State governments, through which they exercise the residual powers of sovereignty reserved to them by the 10th amendment.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree with repealing the 17th.  And, I’m fairly sure I understand what you mean in the quotation ... but I’m also sure that most citizens will not understand.  After several generations of miseducation about &quot;democracy,&quot; few understand &quot;constitutional federal republic.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;<i>Reestablish the Constitutional provision for enforcement of the 10th amendment by repealing the 17th Amendment, and thus returning the election of U.S. Senators to the control of the people as constituents of their State governments, through which they exercise the residual powers of sovereignty reserved to them by the 10th amendment.</i>&quot;</p>
<p>I agree with repealing the 17th.  And, I’m fairly sure I understand what you mean in the quotation &#8230; but I’m also sure that most citizens will not understand.  After several generations of miseducation about &quot;democracy,&quot; few understand &quot;constitutional federal republic.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Angelopeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelopeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as though the United Sates of America ( If the current administration continues on its path of soviet style communism with no resistance) will find itself in the midst of civil war, or worse military rule.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The eternal law of Objective Truth, which of course is the foundation of natural and human law, has been rejected by leaders and politicians, and frighteningly by the majority of the general public. Without the eternal law,&lt;br /&gt;the natural  and human law have no basis, and cannot be protected from corrupt judges, slippery politicians, progressive unions, and God hating liberal academia. The modern world of moral relativism, and its “ ministers of light,” are building ( or I should say,.. completing) the social, economic, and educational infrastructure that will indoctrinate the masses of the blind and ignorant into utter destruction on earth and in eternity, and what better place to solidify this Luciferian indoctrination than in the incubator of childhood education?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So ( God forbid) America is thrust into civil war, it is due to the rejection of the eternal law, for peace is “ Tranquility of order,“-St. Thomas Aquinas, and when the order of Law is inordinate, then chaos, war, and madness are the effect. But as our Lord said, “ Fear is useless,” God will not abandon those who seek His face, He will not abandon those who love truth, justice and peace. In this time on earth, the saints shall be the greatest, for greater lights are needed in overwhelming darkness. God bless you and your country.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christe eleison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as though the United Sates of America ( If the current administration continues on its path of soviet style communism with no resistance) will find itself in the midst of civil war, or worse military rule.</p>
<p>The eternal law of Objective Truth, which of course is the foundation of natural and human law, has been rejected by leaders and politicians, and frighteningly by the majority of the general public. Without the eternal law,<br />the natural  and human law have no basis, and cannot be protected from corrupt judges, slippery politicians, progressive unions, and God hating liberal academia. The modern world of moral relativism, and its “ ministers of light,” are building ( or I should say,.. completing) the social, economic, and educational infrastructure that will indoctrinate the masses of the blind and ignorant into utter destruction on earth and in eternity, and what better place to solidify this Luciferian indoctrination than in the incubator of childhood education?</p>
<p>So ( God forbid) America is thrust into civil war, it is due to the rejection of the eternal law, for peace is “ Tranquility of order,“-St. Thomas Aquinas, and when the order of Law is inordinate, then chaos, war, and madness are the effect. But as our Lord said, “ Fear is useless,” God will not abandon those who seek His face, He will not abandon those who love truth, justice and peace. In this time on earth, the saints shall be the greatest, for greater lights are needed in overwhelming darkness. God bless you and your country.</p>
<p>Christe eleison.</p>
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		<title>By: gilbertabrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilbertabrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Chiu. I get the Voice of the Martyrs magazine and I have read before where people in Africa and Asia have been raised OR VISIBLY healed in front of witnesses. I am just saddened by the number of people that profess their beliefs, but do not live them OR allow the HOLY SPIRIT to perform that which HE is able. Especially in this country where we have &quot;leaders&quot; on pedestals. I try not to be cynical and prefer the words cautious and observant, but I really wonder where this all is going to lead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have a &quot;man&quot; who sits in OUR White House, pretending to be president, refusing to give any credentials, and signing destructive international documents with foreign countries and organizations that our &quot;news&quot; media does not report on (I have to go to Canada, Israel or another country) and very few of our citizens are slightly even concerned. To me, they behave as if this is not serious. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;IF this creature is not legally supposed to be in that office and he is allowed to remain there for the entire four years, then how easy will it be when the truth comes out for a border jumper with some dead person&#039;s SS# to become our NEXT president? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder how many people that travel to third world nations from America would like to live in the places they visit. That is what it will be like in another generation or less if we do not protect our Constitution.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I get so tired of the stupid ones who say it is just a document. They have no regard for the blood, sweat and tears of the people who fought so hard for us to have the wonderful lives we have. I hear so many cry in this country about how the white man has kept them down, but I venture none of those crying would want to be in Haiti right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Chiu. I get the Voice of the Martyrs magazine and I have read before where people in Africa and Asia have been raised OR VISIBLY healed in front of witnesses. I am just saddened by the number of people that profess their beliefs, but do not live them OR allow the HOLY SPIRIT to perform that which HE is able. Especially in this country where we have &quot;leaders&quot; on pedestals. I try not to be cynical and prefer the words cautious and observant, but I really wonder where this all is going to lead.</p>
<p>We have a &quot;man&quot; who sits in OUR White House, pretending to be president, refusing to give any credentials, and signing destructive international documents with foreign countries and organizations that our &quot;news&quot; media does not report on (I have to go to Canada, Israel or another country) and very few of our citizens are slightly even concerned. To me, they behave as if this is not serious. </p>
<p>IF this creature is not legally supposed to be in that office and he is allowed to remain there for the entire four years, then how easy will it be when the truth comes out for a border jumper with some dead person&#39;s SS# to become our NEXT president? </p>
<p>I wonder how many people that travel to third world nations from America would like to live in the places they visit. That is what it will be like in another generation or less if we do not protect our Constitution.   </p>
<p>I get so tired of the stupid ones who say it is just a document. They have no regard for the blood, sweat and tears of the people who fought so hard for us to have the wonderful lives we have. I hear so many cry in this country about how the white man has kept them down, but I venture none of those crying would want to be in Haiti right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the leadership of our great country continues on it&#039;s downward spiral then it is my belief that God will lower His hedge of protection from America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the leadership of our great country continues on it&#39;s downward spiral then it is my belief that God will lower His hedge of protection from America!</p>
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		<title>By: Chiu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are people getting healed or raised from the dead all the time.  True, the &#039;mainstream&#039; Christians don&#039;t have much faith in that sort of thing anymore, but the core of Christianity has never been really &#039;mainstream&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After all, that&#039;s just a different way of  saying &#039;worldly&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are people getting healed or raised from the dead all the time.  True, the &#39;mainstream&#39; Christians don&#39;t have much faith in that sort of thing anymore, but the core of Christianity has never been really &#39;mainstream&#39;.</p>
<p>After all, that&#39;s just a different way of  saying &#39;worldly&#39;.</p>
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		<title>By: gilbertabrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilbertabrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you Dawg em. I was employed at a Christian facility a couple of years ago and many of those people&#039;s mentality was &quot;GOD has everything in control.&quot; Hence, they felt VERY comfortable voting for Barack Obama because he is a &quot;black&quot; &quot;man.&quot; I question both of those adjectives when describing that traitor, but that is another comment I have probably left more than one time. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People who read AND BELIEVE the Bible know exactly what is going to happen to the world one day, and according to most, within our lifetime. BUT, that does not mean (&amp; I have commented on this too before) that you have to take it lying down without a fight for what is right. If that is the case and that IS what we should do, then there is no point to any of this discussion and we should just turn ourselves and our children over to the government NOW with our head (literally) on a silver platter. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know GOD did not give us individuality AND will to do what everyone thinks or says we should do. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I told my mom a few minutes ago, that is why I do not feel any compassion for the &quot;legal&quot; baby murderer that was KILLED, or his family or his friends OR HIS COWORKERS, NEIGHBORS OR &quot;CHURCH&quot; FAMILY. They, to me, are SICK people. Who am I to say whether GOD DID use the man that killed him as vengeance? My mom says because I KNOW what the Bible says about vengeance and murder. I just see a big problem by humans saying it is alright to stab babies in the back of their necks while they are hanging half way out of their mother&#039;s womb.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No one is that close to GOD nowadays to say what someone has heard from GOD (in most cases). There IS NO Moses around or we would surely know of him, his great works AND HIS GOD. JESUS said you will know my disciples by greater works than I have done. When is the last time you saw any of our great Christian leaders raise someone from the dead, much less heal them? Maybe I am just jaded...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s kinda like Dr. Manning said on one of his shows. Billy Graham is bowed down to the world over. He has entertained every president and most of the great world leaders for a generation. BUT YOU DID NOT HEAR TO MUCH OUTTA HIM BACK IN THE 70&#039;S WHEN ALL THIS ABORTION STUFF STARTED. &quot;Christian?&quot; And people have to wear a bracelet to think about what would JESUS do? Comical or sad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you Dawg em. I was employed at a Christian facility a couple of years ago and many of those people&#39;s mentality was &quot;GOD has everything in control.&quot; Hence, they felt VERY comfortable voting for Barack Obama because he is a &quot;black&quot; &quot;man.&quot; I question both of those adjectives when describing that traitor, but that is another comment I have probably left more than one time. </p>
<p>People who read AND BELIEVE the Bible know exactly what is going to happen to the world one day, and according to most, within our lifetime. BUT, that does not mean (&amp; I have commented on this too before) that you have to take it lying down without a fight for what is right. If that is the case and that IS what we should do, then there is no point to any of this discussion and we should just turn ourselves and our children over to the government NOW with our head (literally) on a silver platter. </p>
<p>I know GOD did not give us individuality AND will to do what everyone thinks or says we should do. </p>
<p>As I told my mom a few minutes ago, that is why I do not feel any compassion for the &quot;legal&quot; baby murderer that was KILLED, or his family or his friends OR HIS COWORKERS, NEIGHBORS OR &quot;CHURCH&quot; FAMILY. They, to me, are SICK people. Who am I to say whether GOD DID use the man that killed him as vengeance? My mom says because I KNOW what the Bible says about vengeance and murder. I just see a big problem by humans saying it is alright to stab babies in the back of their necks while they are hanging half way out of their mother&#39;s womb.</p>
<p>No one is that close to GOD nowadays to say what someone has heard from GOD (in most cases). There IS NO Moses around or we would surely know of him, his great works AND HIS GOD. JESUS said you will know my disciples by greater works than I have done. When is the last time you saw any of our great Christian leaders raise someone from the dead, much less heal them? Maybe I am just jaded&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#39;s kinda like Dr. Manning said on one of his shows. Billy Graham is bowed down to the world over. He has entertained every president and most of the great world leaders for a generation. BUT YOU DID NOT HEAR TO MUCH OUTTA HIM BACK IN THE 70&#39;S WHEN ALL THIS ABORTION STUFF STARTED. &quot;Christian?&quot; And people have to wear a bracelet to think about what would JESUS do? Comical or sad?</p>
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